Lex Fridman - Podcast 304

Bishop Robert Barron: Christianity and the Catholic Church

2) Who is God?

Here is an outline of how I address topic 2 of 20:

-Can We Grasp God?
--What Does God Look Like?
---We Were Here
----Sixth Day Creation
----Eighth Day Formation
----Three Human Examples
---Unlock The Doors
--God As A Being
-God Is A Being

Can We Grasp God?

None of us will ever grasp that depth here in the flesh. We are here in a dumbed down version of our true selves, and our purpose is to demonstrate through our actions whether our hearts align with his will. In this state we'll never use beyond 10% of our brains capability, or explore the depths of what's truly in there that we can't access.

When you buy a new car you get a couple of manuals with it. One tells you how to operate the vehicle safely (New Testament). Another will have a list of specifications if you have to perform maintenance (Old Testament). Those will get the owner of the vehicle through everything they can handle. There's also an entire library of parts, providers, diagnostics, and a million other details that happen behind the scenes. They do not conflict with the information in the operators manual. In fact they must support and be cited to document the operators manual is true. The operator manuals are all that's needed at the consumer level. And for us all that's needed at this flesh level is the Bible: Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth.

The scriptures do a very good job of giving us insights and descriptions of all the details we feel lost over. I'm not going to tell you I can define God, or that I can put him in a box, but I will tell you there are question we can ask that will help us understand what he wants us to know.

Barron claims we can only describe examples of God. We can't identify him, because doing so would make him an entity. He feels the Atheist's fundamental mistake is they view God as a big being. Barron claims God is not in the genus of being, and can't be labeled.

What Does God Look Like?

We have secular history that describes what Jesus looked like. Pontius Pilate wrote a letter to Tiberius Caesar, and gave this description:

One day I observed in the midst of a group of people a young man who was leaning against a tree, calmly addressing the multitude. I was told it was Jesus. This I could easily have suspected so great was the difference between Him and those who were listening to Him. His golden colored hair and beard gave to his appearance a celestial aspect. He appeared to be about 30 years of age. Never have I seen a sweeter or more serene countenance. What a contrast between Him and His bearers with their black beards and tawny complexions!

In a court document from that time (The Archko Volume) it is written:

'If you ever meet him [Yeshua] you will know him. While he is nothing but a man, there is something about him that distinguishes him from every other man. He is the picture of his mother, only he has not her smooth, round face. His hair is a little more golden than hers, though it is as much from sunburn as anything else. He is tall, and his shoulders are a little drooped; his visage is thin and of a swarthy complexion, though this is from exposure. His eyes are large and a soft blue, and rather dull and heavy....'

We know what God looks like, and it's very humanoid. Progeny should share traits of the father, no? Let me back that up.

Genesis 1: 26

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

When he says "in our image, after our likeness", who is "our"? Who is he talking about, and who is he addressing? It's us. It's you. This will sound weird this early in the conversation, but it will become abundantly clear when you're able to look at the totality from 30,000' and see how these pieces fit together.

We Were Here

For now make a note that we were all together in a time that we thought was the eternity. During that time Satan (also thinking it was the eternity) rose through the ranks, and was very close to God. After his pride set in he challenged God for the throne, and that is known as the katabole. Satan pulled 1/3 of the stars with him. That means he convinced 1/3 of us to follow him, and to fight against God for him. The katabole was a war between beings. Not some mystical forces. Do you know what's going on in heaven today? There is a war happening right now, between the same beings.

Revelation 12:7

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

An angel is one of two things, and yet they are both the same thing. An angel is us when we are not here, or it's a sent one from that side to fulfill a mission of some sort (like the two that visited Lot). So we're seeing that Michael and those who stood for God are fighting against the Dragon, who is Satan, and his followers.

This war in heaven leads to Satan being booted from there to come here and claim to be Christ returned. So the hotter that war gets the closer we are to the 6th seal, 6th trump, and 6th vial. You should know what that means. If you can believe there is war in heaven now, as Revelation states, then it is not far fetched to consider there was war in heaven before. The info is there, and we will unpack enough of it, because once you understand the feud between God and Satan, and what that has to do with us, then you can better settle in your mind who God is, and the glory of his plan.

Souls are eternal, so it's not like this war is a new modern crew. The souls that are fighting today are the same souls that were fighting then. We come here (rotating through generations), and upon death we "return" to where God is. You were up there representing your side before you were conceived. When your time came you were born innocent into that generation. And when you're done here you will go back to representing your side until this phase is complete, and we start the Millennium.

Ecclesiastes 12: 6

Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

That means when you die...

Ecclesiastes 12: 7

Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

We can't "return" unless we were already there. And we were.

When God put a stop to the katabole he destroyed the planet with a giant meteor. All the souls were gathered to that dimension, and the earth was reset for the scriptures describing creation. Read those verses with the thought of it starting right after that destruction. You will find a natural progression of time, and how everything fits nicely. This time the animal kingdom was made smaller so we could have dominion, but we were made in our own image. That means as we were then is as we are now, and will be later. We are all individuals as unique as our fingerprints, which testify that we were indeed here.

Genesis 1: 27

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

On one hand, if you want to interpret that as God made man in his singular own image, meaning God's own image, then you can see God looks like a human, and is indeed a being. Case closed. On the other hand, if you consider God made mankind in each of our own images it would explain why we all look different. Was God male or female? He created both, but they don't look the same. Was he black, white, Asian? How did he pick what "human to wear" when Jesus was conceived? The truth is we look like us, and he looks like him. Seriously, if God looked like every human that would be a bit schizophrenic, and vain. Consider this though, if you were made in your individual image (which is why you look like you), and Jesus was in God's image (which is why he looked like he did, and not like all of us)... isn't that a little easier to swallow from a common sense point of view?

How did he pull off the burning bush? That could be as simple as technology. That does not diminish the holiness of the event. I'm just saying if they have the technology to operate the vehicles in Ezekiel, then that would be within their wheel house. Turn on a TV in Salem circa 1692 and you would have been burned at the stake. Turn that same TV on any time before it was made and you would cause quite the stir. Everything needed for a TV was here then, we just didn't know how to put it together. God interfaces with us to ensure the scriptures stay on track. The tools he uses ranges from what he does (the bush), what his sent ones do (angels to Lot), what the election does (those he can interfere), and what he did (he came and participated just as we do). He did not come here because God wanted to slum with the humans. If that were so he would be here now when everything is popping hot!. He came as he is, at a time when the signal to noise ratio, and distance from memory was just right. He wants to commune with us, and still does through our study and prayer.

Why do we seek companionship? Why do we find a mate? Because it's our nature to love and be loved. I think that's a much more powerful connection than something in your genes subliminally telling your body you have to reproduce to continue the species... We are not drones. In fact it just so happens more people do it for reasons other than procreation. And there are communities of peoples in relationships that technically can never procreate. People are emotional and hormonal. That feeling is internal, and eternal. It's what God wants to feel with each of us. Think about the connection, not the procreation. Sex is how we participate in the flesh, but anyone in a long relationship will tell you the sex was only part of the bond.

Sixth Day Creation

Even now all souls exist. The only question is if they have come here for round two yet? Remember when they tried to trap Jesus by asking him which brother a girl who survived them all would be wed to in the eternity? He basically let them know we aren't giving and taking in marriage. We don't have to make more souls. We all exist, and we're just sorting out who's going forward. This second age it allows us to usher our heritage through time without all being here at the same time. That allows each person to make their own life choices with 100% ownership of the results. That's why we're here. That is the foundation of our test.

On the sixth day God created us in our image (verse 27), as humans, and below you can see he liked it. it was good.

Genesis 1: 31

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Genesis 2: 1

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

The host is all life, and the initial generations of humanity, each in their land with their native cultures. If that sounds weird, ask yourself when Cain got kicked out of the garden he went and married a woman from the land of Nod, where did she come from?

Genesis 4: 16

And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

Genesis 4: 17

And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

Wait, what? Where's this Nod, and how is there a full grown adult from outside of the garden? And how can you have a city without lots of people? I hope you're asking questions? The answer is in the simplicity of the 30,000' view. On the fifth day we had the animal kingdom, on the sixth day we had man and woman (all the people around the world), on the seventh he is going to rest, and we still don't have Adam or Eve.

Genesis 2: 2

And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

One day as a thousand years does not lock in an exact 1,000 years. It's similar to the saying of death by a thousand cuts. It simply means a lot. It could be 1,000, or it could be 50,000. It's not like right after the katabole ended we were instantly here. A lot of dust had to settle. That's why I said go look at days one through five, and tell me that wouldn't be the natural progression after the meteor that crashed through and ended the first earth age. Forget the 1,000 years. Take 20,000 if you need it geologically. The point is how the earth was prepared for this second earth age.

Genesis 2: 4

These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

This is how the table was set. We also can see that God gave the races about a 2,000 year head start (if literal). How? Well men and women were created on the sixth day, then on the seventh day God rested. We still haven't seen Adam yet? He's about to come on the scene, and do so in a most beautiful way. Up to now everything on the earth was created in it's place and left to develop naturally. There is no recording of God sharing the plan of salvation, or any of his word with the people who were already there. Since our nature is communion each culture developed their perception.

Eighth Day Formation

Then, on the 8th day, we learn that God already had seeds in the ground, but he didn't have a farmer (the sixth day creation were hunters and gatherers).

Genesis 2: 5

And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

This is where Adam's family comes in. We already had the creation, and a time of rest. But he had not yet set the farmer in place to work the seed that was already there. Hidden within this is the beauty of knowing those who came before were not forgotten, just seeds in waiting. In the next verse God activates those seeds.

Genesis 2: 6

But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Genesis 2: 7

And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Notice that it didn't say God created man. It said he formed him. That's because the creation was completed on the the sixth day. We're on day eight, and it said he formed man (Eth Ha Adam - this very man)... but there's still no Eve. Back on the sixth day we had man and woman, but here we only have man.

Genesis 2: 15

And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

Genesis 2: 18

And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

So Adam's tending the garden, but he does not have the help needed to till the soil.

Genesis 2: 19

And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

These animals and birds were not created, they were formed. The animals were created on the fifth day. These animals are being formed on the eighth day in front of Adam, and he's naming them! That's totally different from animals before people on days five and six. What we have here are your domestic farming animals.

Genesis 2: 20

And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

Genesis 2: 18

And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

So now Adam tending the garden with his new farm animals, but he doesn't have that other person that he can have the depth of a relationship we all desire.

Genesis 2: 21

And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

There are 206 bones in a male. There are 206 bones in a female. It is a misconception that a rib was taken from Adam. What was taken from Adam, and what the word rib was translated from would better be translated as "curve". God took Adam's helix curve (DNA) so that he would have his mate. We didn't even know about the helix curve until the early 1950s. So when you go all the way back to when this stuff was first being documented, the rib is our featured curved bone. Think curve, not bone, and you'll unlock another door.

Genesis 2: 22

And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

What we have is the first of the lineage that would record the heritage proving Jesus was the Christ, because he too had to come here for the plan of salvation to be valid and pure. The Bible traces that blood line. It's evidence. It's documenting that everyone's heritage in heaven has to come here, including Jesus'. God gave the "world" had a head start, and now he's planting his word with Adam.

Anyone who says this is racist is missing everything. After the creation in Genesis God said it was very good. In the last book, Revelations, he said that there are kings in heaven (other ethnic peoples, or souls). You have your heritage, and are proud of it. Jesus has his heritage too. It's not a bad thing. We're all there together.

Three Human Examples

According to Barron we only have metaphors to relate to God. It is true the Bible is full of them. God is this, God is that. But these are all teaching tools. Barron said the Bible will sometimes "imagine" God as a human being walking around, and only the crudest fundamentalist would say that's an accurate description of God. We'll if the commentary so far hasn't made it clear, here are three examples of God as a being:

1) Melchisedec. The name means King of the Zedok. The K in King of righteousness, King of Salem, and King of peace are all capitalized. Hebrews tells us he didn't have a father or mother.

Hebrews 7

For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

It also states he wasn't born and didn't die. And who was made like unto the Son of God? There's your answer right there. Abraham tithed to him. He knew. He recognized. They spoke. As beings.

Psalm 110:4

The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

What is a priest? A teacher. Not a spirit, or unknown entity, not a floating force, but a person in the service of our father's order.

2) Ezekiel. He was visited by vehicles that came and went in a flash of light, flew in formation, contained the throne of God (with the likeness of the Son of Man), AND he described the operators and occupants of the vehicles as people.

Ezekiel 1: 4

And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire.

Ezekiel is describing what we would call a flying saucer, or UFO. The color amber would be better translated to highly polished bronze. The fire infolding is the propulsion system. Don't forget the level of technology this guy has seen... a wooden wheel. Not even a bicycle yet, let alone a car, or plane, or rocket.

Ezekiel 1: 5

Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man.

They looked like men.

Ezekiel 1: 8

And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings.

The vehicles had pilots. The wings on four sides means they could go any direction, and they were controlled by men. Later in the chapter God makes an appearance, and he looked like a man.

Ezekiel 1: 26

And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.

Ezekiel described a man and said this was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord.

3) Jesus. Literally God in the flesh. His ministry was in his early 30s, and supposition has it that represented our physical appearance when we are in our spiritual body. Meaning when you see him return he's not going to be an old man. Souls don't age. We are full grown adults, as the angels who have come. Whether we pass away, or are here at the moment he returns, when we transition back to our spiritual body we will all step into a physical body that basically looks like we did (or will do later) in our 30s. Minus any handicaps or issues that resulted from being in the flesh.

Unlock The Doors

Just in documenting God looks like us we also gained some new concepts regarding where we come from, why we are here, and where we go from here. Those are some great doors to unlock, and if unlocking them is supported by the others, then you have grabbed the truth yarn of the sweater. Start pulling, and don't stop. At some point you are going to uncover enough that belief in God is simply factual to you, and faith is your trust in Him to lead the journey. Combined they give you the confidence to dig deeper, to knock harder, and to appreciate more.

I think that's the opposite of what Barron teaches, which is God's action comes first. He said to stay within the realm of "I'm seeking, with my eagle eyes, and my inquiring mind", I'm not going to find God that way. If Barron's sentiment is that it's not something I'm going to do because "I'm so great and smart"... I get that. Christ came for all of us, and pride precedes a fall for those who put themselves above others. However I don't like the separation of self from responsibility and action by suggesting we are all waiting for God to do something first. He already did, because if you are here and reading this He got you on the game board. What do the scriptures say we are supposed to do?

Matthew 7:7

Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

Ask, seek, knock. Three examples for emphasis. All are the action of us, and all are responded to by Him.

Matthew 14:36

And besought him that they might only touch the hem of his garment: and as many as touched were made perfectly whole.

Jesus didn't even have to respond... they knew they only had to touch him, they only had to do their part. Whereas Barron cites we can't find by seeking. He said God finds us and then faith begins. I think Faith is believing in something you can't prove according to our known standards, or personal abilities. How is God going to start that first? Whereas I had faith that the description Ezekiel gave was indeed a real event, even though I can not physically prove it to you. My faith on that topic was skeptical when I first heard, but interesting enough to make me dig. The more I learned the more I thought there's something to it, and I had faith I was on the right path. As other scriptures documented the concept it opened up other stories that now make perfect sense! My skeptical faith had grown, and at some point the evidence took me from faith in something to knowledge of something... belief.

The primary activator for that transition from faith to belief is documentation. The 30,000' view has to be turbulent free, and it has to operate consistently within itself as well as able to address opposing views.

God As A Being

Barron asks what's God? What kind of being is he? To be God is to be. I'm not this or that, I'm not up or down, I'm not here or there. God is that who's center is everywhere, and circumference is nowhere (as the mystics put it). Can I get a clear and distinct idea? No that's the whole point. If I could I would be talking about a being of some kind. So to be God is to be to be.

Barron is clearly separating God from a being. The use of "to be is to be" does not change or enhance "I am that I am", otherwise God would have used it. When a child asks their parent why they have to do something most parents reply "because I said so". Don't forget that we are in a pretty dumbed down state anyway, so we couldn't comprehend if he answered every question we have. He answered appropriately for the scenario.

The concept God can't be a being simply goes against the 30,000' view. God is the King of kings, right? So that tells us there's a lot of kings. Why is that? Because heaven is on earth, it's populated, and there's a Kingdom. That means a King and his dominion. God will reign supreme in his favorite spot, but there are also kings and queens of others around the planet. Not other gods, but other leaders of the peoples who were all created on the 6th day. Everyone has representation in heaven.

Revelation 21:24

And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

These other kings are not in competition with God. They honor him. When Christ returns he is coming to take that throne. You will see him. Everyone will see him. We are specifically talking about a being, the spiritual body with God's soul that was in Jesus, and the owner of the Holy Spirit. The scriptures say that Jesus is coming back, and we know what he looked like when he was here... a being.

Barron equates the bush on fire (but not consumed) with beings being competitive with each other. He says two beings can't coexist in the same place at the same time, so God can't be a being, but moreover he keeps mixing things with beings, as if objects had a living soul. That waters down the depth of our souls and what is really happening here. To say our Biblical God is not a competitive being in the world completely misses Jesus. Not everyone competes with the goal of consumption, and Christ knew what portion of the journey we were in then.

Barron described God as an author to book in that an author is responsible for every aspect of a story. Every character, every plot, every description. He's completely responsible. He's involved in every nook and cranny, but he's not in the story, he's not in the book, you're not going to find him as a character in the book.

I have to challenge that position. Jesus was here, and was the single most important character in the book. He was God's soul born innocent to be compliant with the plan of salvation. Second challenge is the simple fact an author's characters don't have free will. We do. God knows who's coming during what generation, and he knows your heart enough to put you in a real test of your soul, but he's betting on you, because he promised it would never be more than you can take. He wants you to overcome, but it's your soul that is responsible for your actions.

God did not make us as puppets. He does not have a script for you, only a scenario. The only people he is allowed to interfere with are those that stood for him at Satan's katabole, because they earned it then. They are the chess pieces he can maneuver to ensure what's written will come to pass. That should make you think different about Pharaoh, right? I mean God hardened his heart several times to ensure the plagues came to pass. If Pharaoh was being tested, God cheated, because he changed Pharaoh's heart. Pharaoh didn't change his own heart (because God knew Pharaoh's heart, and he was from the good side, so he wouldn't unless God hardened it). Let's go one more... Was Judas a traitor, or was he the one God trusted to use to fulfill a deed no believer ever willingly would? Judas also repented before he was killed. I'm just saying there are tremendous differences between a puppet, free will, and divine interference.

Lex commented how God's deeply in the story somehow. He's present but even if he isn't a character he's not really the full embodiment, and people inside the book can't really know about the author?

How can we not know about the King of kings? How can we not take these different snapshots and come up with a clear understanding? When God came here as Jesus he was manifest in the flesh. He was our example, so it's reasonable that when you came here you were manifest in the flesh. We are not our full embodiment either. Being born means we come with limited access to our brain, and we have no knowledge of the past (what happened the first time at the katabole). We are proportionate for participation in this level... This is your game character.

The basic story line of the Bible follows Adam's family up through Christ to document the lineage proving the heritage wasn't tampered with. Collectively the books present a plea from God, the Author, for us to know him. The prophesies and history exemplify that, while also providing the examples we need to understand in our time. All generations were present at the katabole. This is why history repeats itself. Different boys with different toys throughout the generations, but the tests are the same.

God Is A Being

Barron asked, where's God? He's nowhere in this room. He's totally "other" at the same time. Understanding this is to be to be.

I think that's a misconception. He sent the Holy Spirit (Comforter). That's a measure of his presence everywhere. He also says that if anything is about to happen to us the angels have his immediate attention. That means he isn't sitting there watching every soul make every move, and it means there's an organization in place. Could that be the organization monitoring and ensuring the plan of salvation is played fairly? And finally, my dad does not have to be in the same room for me to behave. My relationship with him makes it very clear I am to chose right over wrong, and the price for not doing so. God's not in this room, because right now he is where he is, just like you are where you are.

God made it clear that he doesn't want our burnt offerings, he wants our love. He wants a relationship, and that means to be in our lives more than Sunday. He wants us to live it, not just learn it. He wants us to be there in the next level, the eternity. He did not come here to dumb himself down to our level, he came up with a plan that would allow each individual soul to be accountable for itself so that we can experience the eternity without the threat of evil:

- God was with all souls. You have an eternal soul. Eternity goes both ways. Your soul is the same age as your parents, and grandparents, etc.
- Satan rose within the ranks, and orchestrated a coup against God.
- God ended that time (we know it as the time of the dinosaurs), and ushered in this era, or second earth age.
- We all come here one by one, through our heritage (our heavenly family) in this second of three ages. The first age Satan rebelled. This second one our souls are tested (based upon where we stood at that first battle), and the third that is to come after the Millennium - a period of time between the second coming and the great white throne judgment.
- Our contract with God is to prove our heart. Some from within religion, and some far far removed. This isn't a test of religious perfection or knowledge at all. It is for some, but not everyone. Those within Christianity will be held accountable for what they teach, but we are here to test our hearts. I'm not saying there is more than one path, but I am saying the paths we are on today don't end until the end of the Millennium. Until then each soul is guaranteed that although they will be tested God will not give them more than they can handle.
- As evidence that God's plan of Salvation was pure and true, he too played by the same rules. That's why he came. He wouldn't ask us to do anything he wouldn't do, and he paid the biggest price in history. That's why they say he defeated death. Death is Satan. By contract he won at that time... up to now has been the battle for our souls.

God is the King of kings, because he is the only soul that can enforce justice and a fair game board. The Trinity holds the office of God, and God is the author of the plan of salvation.

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